Looks like love-30 thus far on the Tennis disc....appreciate the feedback.

As for autotune, Stu, you have it right on the Cher track (ah, ze google). Those of you w/ iphones and ipod touches can of course make your very own autotuned hunk o crap for a mere 99 cents.

I'd take Ron Sexsmith any day over the drek (Jully Black, shudder) that CBC One plays on either Metro Morning or Here and Now.

Hate to be a yaysayer but I think it's worth a listen. Basically it's a Camera Obscura-school record with an awful cover. The songs are well done if you like the style.

Auto tune is annoying but is hardly the studio villian it's been made out to be. You could argue that ever since you could do multiple takes of the same track and pick the best of them (basically the fifties), that studio work has always been about trickery...or doing stuff that can't be done live. I'm not sure I care....although I definitely could.should have used the technology myself over the years!

I had a thought today whilst listening to the Strawberry Alarm Clock - a late 60's psych pop band that you've all likely heard of. The thought was that this music, which has never been given much critical shrift, but which stands time's test pretty darn well in today's world of neo-psych, begs the question of how stagnant pop has become. SAC has jazzy melodies, cool dynamic shifts, interesting arrangement layers (and yes, to their detriment, some really stupid lyrics), really not that far away from the work being done by some of our favourite bands 42 years later - say, Tame Impala or Deerhunter. And it was popular in its day but quickly considered irrelevant....though it sounds pretty bang on to me.

I'd say nyet on the Tennis. I downloaded the track Marathon a few months backs and while it is a cute little ditty, it sounds too close to Teenager in Love for comfort. I think you are spot on that it will quickly wear out its welcome and that cover is bloody awful.

I previewed it Kyle and nehhhed it for the reasons you suggested....
On a second note...... I was listening to Ron Sexsmith Radio this am, (otherwise known as CBC) ,
and they played a new track of his new album (which sounds like every song he has ever wrote) and I could have sworn it had autotune on it... which is a topic not yet discussed herein.... I am sure I have misconceptions about it and wonder if any of you are more up on this new trend:
1) IS it autotune when you are listening to a track (Ala Sexsmith) and you hear a kind of synthesised affect sometimes very subtle , sporadically throughoput the song? Kind of like that CHER video of 5 years ago (or longer) but much more subtle or.....
2) Is autotune used only on purpose by pop artists for that dramatically distorted vocal (Ala Cher)
I realise it can correct bad vocals , (you here it on the Egolillies first disc frequently) , but I think it can be used for supossed artistic affect too??? Correct?
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Tennis, anyone? No, not what's happening Down Under but an album I'm contemplating downloading but am having trouble getting past:

1) the hideous album cover
2) the comparisons to belinda carlisle in the mini review

They've been getting some decent write-ups and some of the samples sound right up my alley, but I'm thinking this is going to get old and bland very quickly.

One of those should-I shouldn't I emusic moments that I have from time to time that I thought I'd get your opinions on. Simple yay or nay will suffice for those pressed for time.

A NY Times writer's attempt to select the top 10 classical music composers in history.

You were unconscious for most of the night, Derek, only waking when Stuart smashed a decanter over your head, then carefully collected the well-aired Brunello and strained through cheesecloth and a sieve so we wouldn't ingest glass. I was as surprised as anyone by Brian's selections, as I was by his decision to pierce his eyebrow. Live and let live though, eh.

Do they still sell music at an HMV? I thought they just sold box set tv shows and crappy 1 star blue ray movies. Hope you enjoyed that non-fat half-caff triple grande quarter sweet sugar free vanilla non-fat lactaid extra hot extra foamy caramel macchiato more than the G&M's Robert Everett-Green enjoyed the Decemberists disc.

Two questions. Was I unconscious when Brian pulled out the Black Eyed Peas and Miley Cyrus? Why is the new Decemberists disc $14.99 at my favourite neighbourhood Starbucks and yet $19.99 at HMV?

My response to Marc will take the form of hand gestures that I'm presently recording and will post soon. In the meantime, just picture a lot of crotch-grabbing.

Also, here's a list of what was played at Stuart's on Friday, as well as who brung it:

Marc

Jerome Miniere – Le Vrai le Faux
The Kopecky Family Band – The Disaster
Cowboy Bebop – No Disk
Suuns – Zero QC
First Aid Kit – The Big Black and Blue

Kyle

Twin Shadow -Forget
Flying Lotus-Cosmogramma
Soundway Records Presents Nigerian Psychedelic Rock from the 1970s

Stuart

Faces box set
Robert Wyatt- Rock Bottom
Kanye West - My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy

Derek

High Places – High Places v Mankind
Get the Blessing – Get the Blessing
Deerhunter – Halcyon Digest

Brian

Black Eyed Peas - The Beginning
Miley Cyrus - Can't Be Tamed
Charles Lloyd - Quartet Mirror

Stuart, apropos of you posting i thought you might enjoy this sign of the times.

For those still looking at 2010, a Hypemem collection of 900+ blog submissions for best albums, artists, songs of the year here.

Just heard a cut from the new Mogwai album, due in Feb, hilariously titled this.

Happy New Year all!

Stu and Mike, thanks for your lists. I had forgotten to give a shout out to the Josh Ritter disc, which is quite good. I'm still working my way through the Sufjan disc; there are bright moments to be sure but also man that are irritating, dare I say self-indulgent, by which I mean excessive use of vocoder and laser sounds which resemble those available on the casio organ i got for christmas in 1983, and 25 minute tracks that contain 2 minutes of interesting composition and 23 minutes of what could politely be called filler.

But 2010 was so 13 days ago...any favourites so far in 2011? Any music resolutions for the year?

I've already deal with my first resolution, which was to deal with the fact that my digital music collection had grown in size to eclipse that of my computer hard drive. I'm now running all of my music from an external 1T firewire drive, which should hold me for a few years. Am also backing up weekly to another usb drive, just in case. While music is generally cheaper these days, making sure that it doesn't suddenly vanish represents an ongoing cost and concern.

Beyond that, I'm planning on listening to more classical music this year, in part because there are still some great classical labels on emusic and in part because I'm finding more and more that that's what I'm gravitating towards. A function of age perhaps?

Looking forward to hearing music at Stuart's on Friday. For those who can't make it, perhaps you can post what you would play if you could.

In No particular order are my top 10 albums

Arcade Fire -Suburbs
Kanye West -My Beautiful....(ok maybe not worth 10 on pitchfork , but bloody good)
Areil Pinks haunted Graffiti-Before today
The national- High Violet (A masterwork by a band at peak form, if you dont like this band by now you are being bloody difficult)
Broken Bells- Broken Bells
Beach House-Tean dream...( this is a band that is about sound atmosphere for the first 5 listens and then on the 6th listen you realise its a band that writes great songs)
Dean and Britta-13 Songs
Deerhunter-Halcyon Digest
Midlake-The courage of others
Stornoway-Beachcomber's...(my summer soundtrack)

The following are a group of albums that are all simple ()and acoustic primarily) and that are all extrordinarily beautiful and but subtly squewed or distictive to make them not tiresome at all after much repeated listens) all worth a peak....:

Anais Mitchel (w Bon Ivor, Rob Burger & many others)-Hadestown.. (this is the best of the lot- a folk opera with different singers, a real find, loved much)
Joanna newsome- Have One On me...(OK maybe still too over indulgent , but i see this being a great single disc condensed at some point)
Bombay Bicycle Club-Flaws
Deer Tick-Black dirt sessions
Horsefeathers-Thistled Spring
The wooden Sky-the wooden sky
Leif Vollebeck - Inland
The weather Station-The Line
Lissie-Catching a Tiger
Sharon Van Etten-Epic

The best single of the year by far for me and if you dont like it, well...fuck you...
Cee Lo Green ... Fuck You

A long gone record I never heard of from 71, avaailable on emusic...jazzy folk rock ...wonderful find:
Jimmy Spheeris - Isle Of View

Also anyone who has a soft spot for cowboy junkies, the single Renmin park off new disc (emusic)
is a real jawdropper......I didnt think they still had it in them , whod a thunk?

I want to weigh in on the "best of 2010" topic, but I fear that I my absorption rate for new music is lower than the rest of yours. Looking at my collection, I only own 11 albums from 2010, so a top 10 list is a bit silly. I've not yet formed complete opinions on all of them yet (which, as I've said before, takes quite a few listens for me), but I'll comment as best I can:

- The Suburbs by Arcade Fire: I still like the way this band is going. None of the tracks on this album have grabbed me the way some of their earlier recordings did, but the sound of this album is still very appealing, and it is growing on me.

- Write About Love by Belle and Sebastian: Another album that's growing on me. This is the 3rd B&S recording that I've bought, and I like them all, but they all blend together for me a bit. There's something about this band that washes over me so that when I play their music, I like it, but I don't really hear the lyrics, which renders it all somewhat unfocused.

- Intriguer by Crowded House: Unsure yet. Again, no one song has smacked me in the forehead with its brilliance, but overall it seems a strong release to me.

- The Big To-Do by Drive-By Truckers: I don't know this band very well yet, but I like the heavy country-rock sound. I don't remember why I downloaded this - whether it was a recommendation from this group or from some other source. Most of my downloads over the last year were prompted by MetaBeats, so that's a good bet. But this album is disadvantaged because it's heavier than my wife likes, so it can only get played when I'm on my own.

- No Better Than This by John Mellencamp: I was actually hopeful about this album because it was touted as a return to the basics - less focus on production values. I had assumed that the implication was more focus on songwriting, but sadly that wasn't the case. The writing disappointed me - it sounds like he's trying to become another John Prine, but he doesn't pull it off.

- So Runs the World Away by Josh Ritter: This is my favorite of the bunch. I think Ritter is becoming stronger as a songwriter, and his arrangements are getting richer and more creative as well.

- Harlem River Blues by Justin Townes Earl: I've only had this one a short time, and I really don't have an impression about it yet.

- The Five Ghosts by the Stars: Brian told me that he was disappointed in this release, but I disagree. There is no track on here as good as "Your Ex-Lover is Dead", but there was no other track on the previous album as good as that one either. That is such a great song that it is perhaps unfair to judge the rest of their music against it. I think the new album shows promise - I like that they've woven a theme through it, although I haven't really absorbed all of the lyrics enough to comment meaningfully on them.

- The Age of Adz by Sufjan Stevens: Just got this one too, and I've only listened to it once. I'm not as enthusiastic about Mr. Stevens as everybody else seems to be. I've liked some of his previous stuff, but I would not number him among my favorites. Based on my previous experiences with his music, I expect it'll be even more listens than usual before I can form any kind of solid opinion.

- Majesty Shredding by Superchunk: Too early to say. I've always liked the name Superchunk, but I've never had any of their recordings before. Not sure why that is.

- Shadows by Teenage Fanclub: Another recent download, recommended by Brian. My first reaction was positive, but other than that I can't say much.

My favourite recent listen is a group called the Seatbelts out of Japan headed by composed Yoko Kanno. The band did a whole series of albums for the Cowboy Bebop that is a Japanese anime series set in the year 2071 about a bunch of bounty hunters (cowboys) touring around in their ship the "Bebop". The music varies wildly from a 60's style horn jazz to modern acid jazz to straight on blues and what have you.

Give a listen to this Seatbelts mix

Big sighhhhh. Forced to defend my beloved New Porns right to the very end of the musical year. I suppose since it was released early in the spring it did get many repeat listens throughout the summer and it is a very good record. It didn't make my year end list as perhaps it had worn out its welcome by the time the crisp autumn weather rolled in. That didn't make it any less of a worthy choice for 2010 and yes it did make some year end lists in Pop Matters and Now Magazine.

Hey boys my favourite pop and near-pop records for the year were (in no order):

Dean and Britta - 13 Most Beautiful Songs
Midlake - The Courage of Others
Damien Jurado - Saint Bartlett
Superchunk - Majesty Shredding
Laura Veirs - July Flame
Broken Bells (self-titled)
Avi Buffalo (self-titled)
Teenage Fanclub - Shadows
The Morning Benders - Big Echo
Deerhunter - Halcyon Digest

HM's to Les Savy Fav, Belle and Sebastien, Badly Drawn Boy, Someone Still Loves You Boris Yeltsin, Sufjan, and MGMT.

The Mediocre-is Being-Kind Awards go to every one of Kyle's list (100% concurrence) plus the Pernice Brothers, Apples in Stereo, and Matt Pond.

And the You-Like-These-Guys-Way-More-Than-Me awards in 2010 are reserved for the three most prominent bands in this category, with well reviewed releases by the National, Arcade Fire, and the New Pornographers (who were mostly absent from the Best Of's?).

I'll second that emotion where Brooklyn Rider is concerned. One of the few, of not only disc, with a classical bent that got any sort of heavy rotation for me in 2010.

As far as jazz is concerned I really enjoyed the Vijay Iyer "Historicity" disc, the Gareth Williams Power Trio and their album "Shock", Dave Douglas' "The Spark of Being" Get the Blessing's "Bugs in Amber" and a couple of oldies Bobby Jackson's "The Cafe Extra-Ordinaire Story" and The Lloyd McNeill Quartet's "Asha".

Unlike Brian I have not come to love Liam Sillery's disc with repeat listens. This got a rave 5 star review in Downbeat and I've really tried with this one but it leaves me cold.

As for the best in pop/rock etc for 2010 here's my list in no particular order with the exception of #1 which goes to the lovely Charlotte Gainsbourg's "IRM". The rest:

Damien Jurado - Saint Bartlett
Forest City Lovers - Carriage
High Places - High Places vs Mankind
Women - Public Strain
Deerhunter - Halcyon Digest
P.S. I Love You - Meet Me at the Muster Station
Mice Parade - What it Means to be Left Handed
Lower Dens - Twin-Hand Movement
Massive Attack - Heligoland

I think I'm with you Kyle on the Jonsi disc which has a few decent tracks but never really comes together as an album and the Book's disc I've almost come to like less with each listen.

another interesting classical disc i picked up recently at emusic was brooklyn rider. since you aren't going to be at lunch on thursday stu, i'm gonna email you a link to your christmas cd in mp3 form, via yousendit.com. mike, one's headed your way too. likely sometime tomorrow morning.

finishing work shortly so this may be my last post of 2010. merry christmas and happy new year to all!

thanks for the classical and jazz tips, will look into it...I will posty my music picks later, i have been sick and am now in catch up mode...interesting how most of the picks posted this month in all genres have been emusic available.....
s

Also, keen to carry on our discussion from last Friday about whether year end lists contain certain types of sounds vs. strong artistic vision/songwriting. Someone who can better recap or state this can chime in.

More 2010 recapx:

Honourable mentions: Avi Buffalo, Kanye West, Flying Lotus, Thermals,

Dishonourable mentions: Stars (meh), Plants and Animals (blech), Besnard Lakes (yawn), Magic Kids (no longer on emusic? lucky you!)

Just not happenin but suspect others here may like (derek, esp on last two): Sufjan, Jonsi, The Books (all on emusic still).

Perhaps I need a few more tastes (or a few more years) before I can indulge, then.

For now, my best of 2010:

10. Mount Kimbie - Crooks and Lovers



Took a few listens before this really began to catch on with me. Standout track (dance track?) above, but really, this is less about individual cuts per se than it is about enjoying the journey of beats, feedback loops, and incantative vocal samples that are at times challenging but mostly soothing.

9. The Radio Dept. - Clinging to a Scheme



Dreamy gauzy shoegazer vocals over poppy electronic and dub beats at times, lively guitar at others. Easy to dismiss after one or two listens as ear candy but there was enough variation and redeeming moments on the album that kept me coming back.

8. Olafur Arnalds - ...and they have escaped the weight of darkness



Slightly sad piano and string dominant Icelandic instrumental music. Quiet and beautiful.

7. Wild Nothing - Gemini



Another dreamy pop one for me, of course, this one channeling 80s guitar work (Johnny Marr, Peter Hook) for the most part. Damn catchy without being too derivative.

6. Beach House - Teen Dream



Didn't quite care for this one on the first couple of listens but it's easily their best release, with the characteristic drone-like female vocal style paired with more straitforward pop song structures without giving up any of that 'washing over you' feel to their music that defines it (and why it resonates for me). Kudos to Stu for lavishly overpraising it to me, forcing me to give it the additional spins it needed to really gel.

5. LCD Soundsystem - This is Happening



Mostly on the strength of four to five tracks like the one above are enough to overlook some of the weaker tracks on the disc as whole.

4. Surfer Blood - Astro Coast



The Pavement-like jangly guitar bits on the track above are just one reason I dig this one. Not really a bad track on an album of power chords and judicious use of distorion.

3. The National - High Violet



This one is good and it's probably their best, and I couldn't really choose the order of the top three so it's here but could easily be #1. Accomplished is probably the best way to describe this album. The songwriting is impeccable. There are no missteps. It's restrained, expansive, poetic, depressing, uplifting and sincere without being preoccupied with being sincere, poetic, expansive, etc. Sorry haters.

2. Deerhunter - Halcyon Digest



Consistently puts out interesting work, this may be his most accomplished. Love the sweet harmonies on tracks like this one and that driving immediacy on tracks like 'Revival' and 'Fountain Stairs'. Not a miss.

1. Tame Impala - Inner Speaker



Beatles influenced psychedelia? Check. Early 90s shoegazer? Check. Well put together collection of songs that manages to be groovy and cool without sounding like it's trying to be groovy or cool? Done.

List of stuff I hated or didn't give a crap about to follow...

That kind of singing (and song) is a bit of an acquired taste....I really love it, but I understand your perspective. It's just another sign that I'm getting old, I guess.

Just listened to the samples and though I love the Mehldau piano work, the Von Otter participation has me running for the hills (and not to joyously inform them that they are alive with the sound of music).

Also, I notice that TPL has 0 holds on any of Kopatchinskaja. Yes, this is Stuart-bait.

Stu - a few classical recordings I liked this year (some may be late-ish 09):

-Helene (the beeyootiful) Grimaud has a new-ish recording of Austrian composers' solo piano music, including Mozart, Liszt, and (my fave) Berg which is very good.
- Younger, less beautiful violinist Patricia Kopatchinskaja's recording of Ludwig Von B's complete works for violin and orchestra is great. Period instruments and austere stylings make it different from so many similar recordings.
- I really enjoyed a recording of guitar in symphonic settings by Chinese guitarist Xuefei Yang, including (of course) Rodrigo's Concierto de Aranjuez, but also pieces inspired by and written by Isaac Albeniez which are great. I've really grown to love the guitar as a classical music instrument in the past couple of years.
- One of Mendelssohn's less famous works, his 2nd Symphony, with conductor Andrew Litton leading the Bergen PO, is worth a listen as well. It's a big bombastic symphony with choral parts in the final movement or two, kind of a lesser cousin to LWB and Mahler's more notable efforts in that style. I liked it.
- Mehldau accompanies singer Ann Sophie Van Otter on two disks - the first a Mehldau composed song cycle that is contemporary classical, and the second a selection of "modern" songs, many French. I very much enjoyed this, each disk for its own reasons.

The Kopatch, Mehldau, and the Litton are on emusic.

Though I probably only picked up a handful of jazz releases this year (support for Stu's hypothesis?), "Historicity" was one of them and a great record through and through.

Another quite wonderful jazz artist is pianist Vijay Ayer, who had two strong releases on 2010, "Historicity" (trio setting) and "Solo", in a well, setting by himself.

Hey Stu, re your question on good jazz a few posts ago, I've had a reasonable year on that front (probably more so than in the pop rock vein). A few that I think are really interesting are:

Phenomenology, by Liam Sillery. Fantastic. Somewhat "free" in style though it has enough structure and melody to hold your interest. Definitely hear some peak-period Wayne Shorter influence. Grows with each listen.

Yesterday You Said Tomorrow - by Christian Scott. Really strong modern trumpet based jazz, with tons of soul, groove, and indigo moods. Might be the first of these to try.

Tapestries for Small Orchestra - by Bill Dixon. He's an old free jazz war horse, but this is brilliant stuff. So much space and mood in these long lingering pieces. Not for all tastes but I love it.

Mirror - Charles Lloyd Quartet. Mr reliable....this is a nice, expressive ballad-based bop session with Chuck bringing out the most from each number - many of which are standards. He has a remarkable band, sounding somewhat classic-Coltrane-quartet-esque at times. The version of the Beach Boys' Caroline No is a good starting point.

Things Have Got to Change - Marty Ehrlich Rites Quartet. Another record filled (from late 09) with creative jazz built loosely from the bop tradition. Piano-less quintet with the horns up front, but with a a focus on rhythm and interplay. The lack of piano opens up the core of the music as it always does.

Weary Already of the Way - Matt Bauder. Sax player who works (on this record) on large scale modern composition (though small number of instruments and found sounds)....same school as Bill Dixon above, if anything, more chaotic.

Saturn Sings - Mary Halvorson Quintet. My second record by this guitar player, diverse and complex music. Horns play a big part, often muting the guitar bases of these songs. Some tracks are energized and wild, others like Crack in Sky much softer and layered. Very interesting.

The new Guillermo Klein sounds really interesting 0 I loved his record form a couple of years back, and I discovered pianist Craig Taborn this year - his last album where he led the session was "Light Made Lighter" from 2007, which is a stunner. He also plays on Michael Formanek's much-lauded 2010 release The Rub and Spare Change...which I like a little less than his own work. Jim Rotondi's 100 Rainbows from 2010 is really good - fairly straight ahead post-bop with his trumpet front and centre.


I'll try to catch up on some other posts over the Christmas break.

Great pic, Marc. For any of you planning on traveling through the southwestern states, do try the Shiner Bock, a case of which is featured in the photo.

Now that my business travel for 2010 is done like dinner, time to get things rolling with the end of the year list, if only so I can then start reading through the lists on some of the usual websites and publications.

Top songs of the year first, in Grooveshark Playlist for your pleasure, in no particular order:



Heads up: the Kanye track is NSFW.

Still reviewing what's gone down in the last year and i finally got around to ripping and labelling "The Bottle Let Me Down" and found some appropriate artwork on mIphone from our trip through Freidricksburg Texas. Thanks Stuart, i'm lovin' the cuts. ...admittedly there was much consumption but little "reliance" on the bottle on our trip. Incidentally, back in June Stuart made reference to "skunky Jack Daniels in a dusty Cotton Field" so i thought i would google image that and try and find an image for my album pic and i landed on a photo of an obscure little town that we visited, Bisbee Arizona. ha! ...but instead...my pic from our lovley cheapo italian meal on New Years eve in the sleepy (sleeping) town of Freidrickdburg.... hey Stu ...there's your Peroni!

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Hey Stu, not sure what you are looking for or if you have heard of Wadada Leo Smith, but check him out. Jazz ain't dead ....yet" Particularly like South Cental LA Kulture. It ain't dinner jazz but nor was Kinda Blue when it came out.

AS the year rolls to an end, I wonder if any of you have found stellar classical or jazz cds this year. I seem, to not be bying nearly as much of this as I used to and could do with some recommendations...no need to rank, jsut stuff that has stayed on your cd player / ipod...
s

Just call him Captain 'cus Kirk's out of this world! Beam me up Scotty!

I borrowed a stack of Rahsaan Roland Kirk from Derek on Friday and m.e. and i is both diggin' it so far. Ecclectic, not always serious, flippant, at time soulful and a little crazy a times. It ain't always dinner jazz! Reminds me at times of Gil Scott Heron ...or the other way around ...the whole art of the spoken word, the oral tradition and the birth of rap. Speaking of which, Gil Scott Heron, the anthology that i brought to the playdate a few years back ...i have never grown tired of it and it remains a staple in my workaday life ...surprising.

With regard to the TPL's holds, this is a fine example of how researchers set out to demonstrate a hypothesis and seek out data to support it.

Now i guess that every kid is different but my nephew who is now 19 seems to enjoy the books on music, film and pop art that i get him ...either that or he is overly polite ...he has always enjoyed reading and history. He is also big into vinyl and seems to appreciate the tactile quality of collecting it so records always seem to go over well whether they be new releases of used classics. ...i saw he recently picked up some Nena Hagen ...WTF?

I am always glad to be able to hit the mark on a gift that i feel is worthwhile and opens his eyes to something he was not previously aware of but always fear feeling like i am simply imposing my taste or views of what is important. I guess it is a little bit of chicken or the egg ...i started him on some "cool" music when he was young (not that his mother has no influence in this department) and that helped foster an interest ...always nice to pass on the passion.

Other options have often included pop art t's and hoodies etc. something a little unique, local and often ironic ...kids like irony these days ...hows that for a blanket statement.

I've got 2 teenaged boys (16 and 15) and I can tell you what mine generally want. They ask for video games and DVDs. They also like to buy clothes for themselves, so they like money or gift certificates to stores like American Eagle. Of course fashions and trends change fast, so we tend to avoid store-specific gift certificates. We either use cash or mall-wide certificates. They don't want CDs because that generation pretty much helps itself to anything they want on-line. They are also both tied to their cellphones - we've bought media cards and cellphone cases for them. We've bought them headphones for their ipods. They hang posters on their walls, but you have to know what movies, bands, sports teams etc. they like of course.

On another note, there's been a lot of Beatles chatter of late and I hesitate to add more (it would be terrible if they were overexposed) but a friend recently showed me a film that is worth watching. Apple posted a video of their first concert in the US (7000 fans at the Washington Collesium in 1964) in its entirety. It's a 45 minute set of their early hits, and it is very strange to see how low budget and unorganized it was. They hit the stage and then spend 2 minutes getting their stuff set up and oriented properly before they play a note. They have absolutely no idea of the phenomenon that they are on the cusp of becoming. Definitely worth watching.

Hey Stuart if it makes you feel any better there are 50 copies of Justin Bieber's 2009 CD in the TPL and only 2 holds. Whereas Arcade Fire's the Suburbs has 174 holds on 80 copies. There's a voice in me that wants to say something about lies, damned lies and statistics.

More relevant to your point is that Miles Davis' "Bitches Brew" has 34 holds on 25 copies. That disc was lavishly re-issued this year but the single disc copy in the library is from 1999.

So people, to some small extent, are still paying attention to jazz, the major problem being that the mainstream media gives jazz no airtime to speak of unless we see, as in this case, the re-issue of a groundbreaking jazz record by a very major player.

Still holding my breath here for all those creative ideas re gifts for late teenage boys. I wasn't joking when I asked for assistance.

sonny rollins tenor madness, 24 copies, 0 holds, saxophone colosses, 17 copies 0 holds,
davis, kind of blue 17 copies 0 holds, sketches of spaion, 16 copies 0 holds.......(toronto public library), sort of tells the story of where jazz is in the publics eyes....when you combine those stats with the death of live jazz venues in toronto, its very very depressing

I've been known to have a chilling effect on conversation. Nice post Derek. I'm going to start off my top ten list with the top posted sentence of the year ....goes to DM for referring to being fed the not so fab four "since i was running around in nappies eating rusks in the rain" ...lovely image ...is that a pint I see that little runt holding in his other hand?

Well spotted, Deeman. Also here's the christmas playlist you created and emailed, here for everyone's listening pleasure. Tried embedding but there must be something wrong w/ their code.

Yes Black Eyed Peas. And I didn't Google this. Right, wrong or not even close?

Also overwhelmed with all the music out there that's apparently quite good. At the same time, glad that I continue to studiously avoid releases described thusly in a review in the Globe over the weekend:

"...a senseless album of futuristic beats, robotic vocals and dance songs about dance songs...a one-hit-wonder-band four times over...bruise humanity, insult intelligence and commit rape against the beauty of music"

Can you guess the band?

Apparently ye all have headed south for the winter. What gives? Marc shows up on the blog after a very extended absence and everyone else scurries off like moles to their little holes.

Since we are now in to December and the year-end is looming perhaps it would be cool if some of you (anyone?) could post yer best ofs for 2010.

What I find amazing around this time of the year is when I start reading various blogs that are already starting to post lists for the current year is just how much music is out there and how little of it I actually get to listen to. And I listen to music at every available opportunity. Kids or no kids that hasn't really changed. It's all a bit overwhelming. (the barrage of music not the kids).

Speaking of kids my nephews are now 16 and 18. WTF do you get for xmas for boys/men at this point in their lives. No smart-ass answers please. I would ask my sister but that would require me to have to speak to her.

Assuming that the new Girl Talk isn't everyone's cup of tea let me suggest my favourite jazz album of 2010 as an alternative. It's a 2009 release but as I only downloaded it at the beginning of this calendar year it makes my year-end list and best of all it can still be found on e-music.

The Seamus Blake Quartet's Live in Italy double album clocking in at almost 2 hours of great swinging jazz comprises only 9 tracks and is thus an unbeatable bargain for those who subscribe.

This mash-up certainly won't be to all tastes, Kyle and mine perhaps, but I find each of this guys mixes very entertaining and the best part is you can download it for free.

Here's the review from today's Pitchfork.

Gents I'm very much looking forward to Thursday but will likely be somewhat under prepared. I'll try to pull together some music before the get together but am overly busy with work at the moment. See you then.

Great link, Derek and interesting development. Wonder if the indies are planning on setting up shop elsewhere or their own independent platform. Whole bunch of interesting threads at Merge website discussing emusic, with a couple of posts suggesting that a consortium of indie labels could come together. Would love it if they did so. The last line of the lone commenter pretty well sums it up the direction emusic is taking.

What's worse for us non-US clients is that this supposedly massive dump of new music--the whole reason for the change to pricing and exodus of the big indies--is not available for download here. So the sacrifice of the great indie labels gets us zilch.

I sent an email to their customer service asking for clarification on the direction of the service for anyone outside the US but have not heard back yet. I'd guess that at least 50% of my purchases are from those labels. And when I then went for some jazz, half of the jazz I had saved for later (i.e. Miles "Workin' It") are no longer available for download either. Bugged emusic about this on twitter and they insisted that Fantasy/Riverside had not been removed for Canadian users but try searching for either of these labels and you'll find very little left for either. The one example I gave was for Monk's Brilliant Corners which I had saved but not downloaded. They located another copy I could download on Concord Records, which was nice of them to do, but I'm still struggling to find a lot of other stuff that I'm guessing is now gone.

I actually don't mind buying independent music directly from the lable or artists so if I could use my monthly allotment on more established artists and back catalogues that would be fine. But I agree with Derek that it's not looking good.

Here's some of the goods on e-music. I can't even download the new Belle & Sebastian now. Looks pretty grim. Might have to re-think the subscription as well. Something to discuss on Thursday night.

You'll have to bring some FandtheP to Stu's on Thursday, Marc. I'm unfamiliar with their body of work so would like to hear "Ladykiller". Not sure if that's snickering I hear in the background but whatever.

As for self-indulgence v. vapidity, wanking, onanistic meanderings, self-love sessions, jerk...okay you get my point which is, arent' they pretty much all synonymous? I mean, yes, by definition, an artist is going to be self-indulgent to some extent and we hope that they do so in order to produce something we can enjoy or appreciate. We only call them on it when it seems vapid. An album like The Wall is self-indulgent but we're not likely to complain because it's (mostly) brilliant. On the other hand, the superfluous 10 minute guitar solo at a Yo La Tengo concert or any Smashing Pumpkins album after 1995 stand out as easy targets for villification.

Interested in discussing more at Stu's. Will hopefully then have made a decision as to whether or not to sever my long-term relationship with emusic, which seems to have lost not only Merge records but also the Fantasy jazz label, while none of the exciting new artists and labels available in the US available to those of us in Canada.

DM, I must confess that Flash and the Pan has never really been unplayed on my turntable for more that a year or so and that in fact when you posted it had been sitting without its angel sleeve in a stack of recently enjoyed vinyl. I have to say that upon recent listenings that the tune "Ladykiller" takes on a wonderful poignancy now that we are one tenth of the way through the twenty first century. I tend to hate to think that i cling on to music for purely nostalgic reasons but F&TheP is a damn fine album. ...worthy of great debut album list? ...maybe not. One of the things that helps it to stand apart in my mind is that it still, to this day, sounds unique. First and Last is a surprisingly sweet wrap to a fine album indeed.

Sorry gents, i'm working my way back through the past nine months worth of blogaterial so forgive me for commenting on oh so passe topics.

I've been giving the idea of self indulgence in art some thought. I recently heard it said that the moment you stop doing things that YOU want to do as an artist, that is the moment that your fans will turn from you and loose interest. I think it is an interesting comment and i believe it in part but i think it is a very complex question. What make you popular as an artist? ...or as an individual for that matter!

I think we would all agree that good art does not necessarily sell and pop commodity often far outstrips the "popularity" or commercialization of that is truly good, meaningful, provocative or exploratory in art, or, in this case music.

I started to muse about it in relation to the conversation about the trio. I am of the belief that a musician can be as much of a wanker if he is playing with two others, by themselves, or with a stage full of musicians.

The greater part of me feels that art (music) should be self indulgent and needs to be so in order to say something meaningful. If not self-indulgence (from the Latin: to give free rein to, hence giving free rein to oneself), what we are always asking of them? ...to express themselves fully and without abandon? ...to open themselves up and expose their soles to us? ...if they have one?

The problem with self-indulgence is that it can open up a can of ugly worms ...all of a sudden someone feels the confidence and love of a crowd and goes off the deep end, deluded into thinking what they are saying musically is in fact, well, deep.

The problem is not with self-indulgence but rather with vapidity, vacuous wanking and supercilious noodling.

Which brings me around to the new Neil Young album LeNoise which i, unlike Stuart, thinks might have some merit. Incidentally, also speaking of noodling, i had the pleasure of seeing Daniel Lanois on Nuit Blanche and thoroughly enjoyed his soundscape and would have stuck around and let it wash over me for hours if i had not had frozen noixsettes and having also been dragged away by someone more critical and sane than myself ...the dancing girls where a bit much though Danny!

But onto LeNoise ...one could argue a very self-indulgent work? I think it's art, frankly. Neil is showing his age and is bitter and crotchety but i'm glad he's willing to share. Rarely have i heard anything so honest. I feel as if Neil has opened up his little black sketch book picked up his guitar and played. Many or most of the songs are not fully formed but are rather sketches, ideas that are gestures in charcoal on pages of cheap, coarse tooth art paper in book who's pages are flipped in frustration, anger and bewilderment.

Neil sings about his life and i feel as if i am reading his thoughts he has scribbled in his diary ...thoughts i was not supposed to hear ...thoughts that only someone who doesn't give a flying-fuck about what you think anymore (as if he ever did) is willing to bare his sole ...self-indulgent? yes. Good? huhm? work listening to? yes.

I have always been a HUGE fan of Lanois' and this album is no exception. I love what he has done with this "solo", live off the floor album. Frankly this cannot be considered a solo project; Lanois plays too big a part in it. Apparently it was all produced in one or two takes live off the floor with no overdub. That having been said, Lanois has manipulated the sound of Neil's guitar and voice to, on occasions, create walls of sound that are so remarkably rich. All the layers that form the bombastic tapestry of the sonic soundstage are all created in post from any one given take of any one given song. Lanois uses reverb, effect and memory of bygone sound in a way that echos Neil's rambling of a bygone life. My only criticism of Lanois's production is that he introduces "memories of sounds" that have not yet come into existence, a sort of pre-echo ...pre-echo ...pre-echo ...pre-echo ...or, or, ... is it foreshadowing? never thought of that until now! ...oh, he's so brilliant!

I was mulling over Stuart's post from last week re bands that underwent drastic changes in personnel and how it affected their subsequent output and success and the one band that kept rearing its head was Genesis. Here's a band that had several pretty great records as a fivesome in the early 70's and were to some degree fairly successful but then Gabriel leaves with "A Trick of the Tail" and within a few more albums Genesis is one of the biggest stadium bands on the planet.

And at least for the first couple of records sans Gabriel their output is every bit as good as during his tenure with the band. Their greatest success however seems to come when their material is at its weakest. Of course this coincides with Phil Collins' rise to megastardom which bad enough in itself (although I did very much like his debut album), doesn't compare to the pap that Mike & the Mechanics put out.

Of course as Genesis and Phil Collins are reaching the zenith of their careers Peter Gabriel is also putting out great records and quickly becoming a stadium filler in his own right. I'm not sure there are too many bands that saw this many triumphs after a potentially disastrous parting of the ways.

Marc, ola! It's been a while, if not forever. Good to see your voice. I'm not allowed to mention "that group" for a little while (I'll give it two weeks) but I will say that "the guy you mentioned" was a phenomenal and uber-influential player and writer. If you look at The Band I Can't Discuss from a pure musicianship perspective, it's the guitar of Your Guy and the bass of My Guy that are standouts, that shape the sound of the band. Less so the Other Two.

And Ihate to dwell on old music even an instant longer, but I wanted to say thanks to Derek and Kyle for impassioned feedback on OMD...I have truly changed my opinion on them - have found and listened to "Arch and Mor" two nights in a row. It's an outstanding record, unlike their later work which I really (still) don't like. It's the spareness and "modern-ness" of the sound that grabs me, and the synths really stand out as a more experimental instrument - ie their use of them was promiment and somewhat exaggerated versus the smoothness / lushness / popiness of later recordings.

Re Bill F, I raised him because he is a frustrating musical personality for me. He comes from jazz, but has a ginormous range of styles that he incorporates into his recordings, not to mention his approach to the instrument. So unlike say John Scofield, whose pure playing isn't all that different, I find Frisell very difficult to pin down and make a "like him / don't like him" call on. I like Scofield, btw. I have a few albums, mostly from the late 90's onward. I like Blues Dream and one called with Dave Holland and Elvin Jones (both from early in the decade), I'm less thrilled with later work History Mystery, which is (and this would be my major coplaint of the man) absolutely all over the place. Still I have alarm bells inside me that remind that frustrating listening often equates with genius, so wanted to get other opinions. And Stu, is "not a headphone band" an insider term for he's crap? Banal? Not worth exploring? All of the above?

Re new music, what have ya'll downloaded with this month's emusic? Or better yet, bought in an actual store?

Whoop-dee-f**ckin-doo-indeed mr. Mercer but it all does seem a little ironic to me ...this battle that has gone on for decades over the "Apple" ...that it finally seems to be resolved when BOTH parties realise they can make more money if they put their differences aside and do what they do best and go out and make some more money. So ironic that when the battle over trademark started they had absolutely no idea they would be in bed together 30 years later!

Reminds me of the Harrison lawsuit in which he was sued and found guilty of unintentionally plagiarizing "He's So Fine" by the record label Bright Tunes and then his manager Allen Klein went out and bought Bright Tunes and continued with the lawsuit against his former client ...exactly the same but in reverse,no? ...huh?

Hey Marc, nice to have you back and to get your take on the Lennon-McCartney (and now Harrison) debate. Must give "All Things Must Pass" a listen one of these days.

Marc gets a free pass on this seemingly endless debate as he hasn't posted here since Flash and the Pan were topping the charts but could we put at least a temporary moratorium on all things Beatles. Even today's so-called breaking news was that iTunes now has the Beatles catalogue. Whoop-dee-f**cking-doo.

Those kids (and me) who thought the iPod and iTunes were so cool midway through the last decade must be chuckling at the codgers who think this is something worth getting excited about.

Would it be too much to ask that someone, anyone, tell us about some good new music. Maybe something that's off the beaten track. I'd love to hear about it. And could someone wake up Brian long enough for him to tell us just what he thinks about Bill "yawn" Frisell.

Bill Frisell? ....Bill Fizzle! I bought East Meets West on the strength of cuts i had heard off of it on the radio and stuff i had heard in the past, liked it on first listen and still like it enough when i hear a cut when my itunes genius throws me one, but otherwise, it's like a gentle fire ...good for putting me to sleep. And East Meets West ...I honestly don't get it ...would love to get it but i don't hear it!

Whenever the question comes up "would you choose McCartney or Lennon", some wanker has to come along and claim Harrison is his favourite Beatle. Now admittedly it's pretty well all brilliant, but when it comes to individuals, in a way i honestly have to say that i am drawn more to George as a human being and appreciate the WAY in which he went about expressing himself within the band and in his solo career. I know that the question was in part about who is your favourite songwriter but i honestly think that he had a lot more in him than he was never let to bring to the studio by his overbearing bandmates. Admittedly, it was that overbearing quality of John and Paul's that made the songwriting duo so successful but it was also no co-incidence that it was Harrison who was first out of the blocks and most successful when it came to early solo careers.

Of all the member's solo album's, it is "All Things Must Pass" that i have always been most attached to. Introspective, deliberate, crafted, passionate and soulful ...not overtly popish or bitter as some of his peers work was, it endures and is perennially listenable.

I think that George's contribution to the Beatles is often under-acknowledged. Though the quiet Beatle, i always thought of him as the glue that held them together or the lubricant that kept them moving forward through all their turmoil. His interest in the east had such a profound influence on the group that is cannot be discounted.

I love the Beatles and their music but in the same way that I am drawn to the songs of The Edge, I love those of Harrison. When given the opportunity to speak, he really shone. The things he said with his music stood out and were always stood out as powerful moments within (Within and Without You) albums.

Ah! what do you expect from a wanker!

On a similar note, i was interested to hear much focus on Double Fantasy recently as it was the 30th anniversary of it's release. I admittedly do not know the album in it's entirety but only cuts that i have heard over the years on the radio etc ...it might be time for me to give it a solid listen as i found it quite inspiring to hear the stories of it's creation. The anniversary of John's murder never goes by without it jarring me, but now it comes upon me as i realize that my years roll quickly on, and he, only 40 when he died ...such accomplishments in such a short life.

Remember Ross Porter and "After Hours" the late night jazz show that was a must listen on CBC radio back in the 90s. It's where I first heard Bill Frisell's " Blues for Los Angeles", the lead track to his 1998 album "Gone, Just Like a Train". Wasn't really jazz (the title sort of gives that away) and the song wasn't really what Bill Frisell's all about. I was new to this guy and he was already pushing 50 and closing in on 20 records.

I bought that album, 1999's Good Dog, Happy Man and have listened to a geat deal of 2005's "East West". As I write this I'm listening to ECM's selected recordings of his work on that label from 1981-1996 and I still don't have my head around what Bill Frisell is supposed to sound like. I'm not sure that I love what he does, it doesn't move me in any meaningful way, but I do find it interesting at times. There is an expansiveness to his sound that is very warm and inviting. Unfortunately there is also a tendency at times for the music to feel rather noodly.

That though could simply be a problem I have with much of the jazz-guitar catalogue. Listened to Stanley Clarke's 2010 disc today and I almost left the office at a run. Still to do Frisell any justice at all I'll need to listen to much more than 3 or 4 albums of a catalogue that's 10 times as big.

It's rather sad and surprising that 30 years on OMD are thought to be the lighter, less serious, version of "better" bands. What's not though is that 30 years on I still listen to OMD records on a fairly regular basis whereas Depeche Mode and New Order almost never.

Depeche Mode and New Order existed to be danced to at very loud volumes in sweaty nightclubs. That's why there was such a proliferation of 12" mixes of their biggest songs. OMD are a much more cerebral band than either of these other two.

I think the problem with OMD is the Simple Minds syndrome. Both bands had a brilliant opening run of about 4 or 5 albums right out of the gate, making music that used synthesisers to some degree, OMD more so, but I wouldn't have thrown either band under the bus called synth-pop a label as damning as it is enlightening.

Then came for both bands, at almost exactly the same time, the big North American chart topper in "So In Love" and "Don't You Forget About Me" and "click!" both bands almost immediately lost much of their long time fanbase, myself included, and within a couple of years were for all intents and purposes finished as a money making entity. And now they're both seen, on this side of the pond as one-hit wonders.

Around 1982/1983 I would have had both these bands at the top of my critical list. OMD's 3rd album "Architecture and Morality" is one of my all-time faves and has lost nothing with the passage of 30 years. There is a lush organic quality to their so called electro-pop that looks ahead to the sound of bands like Boards of Canada and Aphex Twin. It has a romanticism that is sorely lacking in bands who were lumped with them at the time like Ultravox, Gary Numan & The Tubeway Army and the Human League.

My comments re Bill Frisell will follow.

I am listening to a compilation of the doobie brothers and It reminded me of how annoying it was for Michael McDonald to take over from Tom Johnson...Here you had a great 70's hard rocking hook laden , rock band, and it became a california muzak band with the blandest sound going..
So it got me thinking, how many bands have gone through serious personal changes and ;
a- gotten better ( arguable fleetwood mac but some Peter Green fans would disagree)
b- gotten much worse but still remained superstars ( aforementioned doobies)
c- made no difference still remained good and commercially sucessful ( van halen???)
There is no point naming bands that changed and became total failures artistically and commercially as almost all bands fit that catagory after the principal songwriter goes solo...
Is this a 70's and 60's phenominon or are there examples of this from the 80's and 90's?

Also seeing decent reviews for the new Paul Auster book, a perennial fave.

Perhaps the latest Peter Robinson/Inspector Banks novel, "Bad Boy". Not only an enjoyable read thus far (3/4 in), but references to Highland Park consumption while listening to Fleet Foxes, Animal Collective, and My Morning Jacket by several characters led me to accuse Derek of being the real author behind the series in an email earlier this week. For something a little more high brow but not too much so, Ian McEwan's latest, 'Solar' was also a good read and quite funny.

Cant help you w OMD but I do listen to a small amount of Bill Frissell (1 disc) which is pleasant enough but its not really earphone music for me...more ambiant work music, (I am sure Bill F would be unhappy with this less then estatic comment, but there you have it....)

In exchange for that stunning display of music journaslism I wonder if any of you lot could recommend a book, I am in a severe drought ...last 6 books or so that I read (fiction that is) have been largely uninspiring ....

lets not have any of that this is a music blog not a literature blog crap either...

I'll defer to others on Frisell but OMD was one I really enjoyed as well.

I didn't deep into all the earlier albums as Mr. Mercer, but 1985's "Crush" was one I really dug at the time and still think stands up today. The wistful panging and falsetto vocals of 'So In Love' and 'Secret' being two songs that are indicative of their style:

Didn't really ever think of them relative to Depeche or New Order, though I suppose the front and centre synth is the commonality and the reason for your grouping (ghetto-ing? :)). OMD''s music was typically more heartfelt and emotive than the other two, both lyrically and vocally, with bigger, more dramatic synth flourishes. DM, by comparison, come across as more restrained, and detached, both in terms of lead singer David Gahan's delivery and the lyrics themselves. Contrast 'Just Can't Get Enough', which is celebratory and joyously enthusiastic about its unnamed muse, for sure, but doesn't hold a torch to the gushing, I-just-might-die-outpouring of sentimentality in a song like 'If You Leave'.

New Order definitely had some signature synth throughout their catalogue but to me, this always took a backseat to Peter Hook's signature high end bass lines. See, Age of Consent:

Gentlemen,

I require your input (back to the RR Kirk series) on the following two artists, quite different in nature:

- Orchestral Manoeuvres in the Dark (whom I've always though of as a "light" version of any number of better artists such as New Order, Depeche Mode eg, but whom Derek played with typical enthusiasm the other night - yes. we were on the couch).

- Bill Frisell - I'll withhold my thoughts on Bill until I hear from some of you.

And you managed to finish off w/ a cool R.E.M. reference in the tag. Well done.

Hi Mike, I take your point about the solo careers of John and Paul - though I think the sense of disappointment that we all feel is relative to their brilliance as Beatles - but my question was more about their music in its entirety, ie including Fab 4. I actually think if there were no Beatles, then all three singers would be considered major artists of the seventies.

But regardless, back to the original question. I'm a massive Beatles fan of course, and won't hear a bad word about their talents. So my comments have to be taken with that in mind. Over my life I've heard expressed so often that John was the greater talent that my reflexive answer to that classic question has for many years been "Paul". I don't believe this categorically by any means, but I get frustrated by the apparently stock answer. Mac's genius is melody of course, IMO (by far) the greatest melody writer in pop history. I could say that again to emphasize the point.......such restraint on my part. The fact that he often tended to write in a jaunty style can mask that sometimes, but his songs, even his early ones, are complex and yet instantly memorable. Setting aside melody, I think he was the more representative of the Beatles, the more Beatlesque if you will. When critics generically refer to a sound or song being B /esque, I believe they are referring more to Penny Lane then Strawberry fields, for example. The Beatles scene and the huge influence thay had on the British Invasion was mostly about feel-good melodic pop music,which is more Paul's contribution than John's. He is the optimist, John the sarcastic cynic. Think about songs like "Got to Get You into My Life" or "Good Day Sunshine", two brilliant and life affirming songs that tend to get overlooked when counting the Fab's best, perhaps because they seem effortless, versus the more formally challenging Lennon numbers like Tomorrow Never Knows from the same period. I love the Lennon song, but those Mac Songs are wonderful.

Another thing, is that Mac was apparently more interested in putting the big packages together, the concept records if you will. ergo he was the driving force behind Sgt Peppers, Magical Mystery Tour, and Abbey Road. It's become a bit uncool to like Sgt Peppers (and certainly Mystery Tour), but it's a genre changing record, filled with a lot of great subtle melodic Mac songs, and relatively fewer (and two utterly magical) Lennon songs. It's not surprising to me that Mac made the more complete albums (well, a couple of them anyway) than JL in their solo careers - he was just better at that.

And finally a defense of Penny Lane versus Strawberry Fields. First of all, I think it's the greatest two-sided single in pop history. Why? Because both songs are equally brilliant. Strawberry Fields is a gender-bending psychedelic classic which I adore. Penny Lane is a song I like every bit as much. Such evocative lyrics, and a stunning melody and arrangement....again, clear, positive, sunny, gorgeousness. Hey I love the Velvet Underground too, but surely you can't be unaffected by the beauty of this song?? His voice is unbelievable, and the bass playing is beeyootiful. He is, as Stu mentioned, a world class player; very distinctive.

I'm running out of steam, but am aware that most of you stopped reading a couple of paragraphs ago. McCartney is massive for me, and perhaps more important than Lennon.

I wouldn't pick either of them. If I had to pick just one songwriter/performer, it would be somebody else. Neither Lennon's nor McCartney's solo work is good enough to crack my top list of songwriters and performers. They both had some very good stuff, and Band on the Run is right up there, but if they hadn't been the Beatles first, neither of their solo catalogs is consistently strong enough to warrant consideration. McCartney is too light and far too self-conscious, and Lennon is way too cynical and preachy. Together, they set the standard by which all others are measured, but individually they are both seriously flawed. There is no greater example in all of life of the whole being greater than the sum of the parts.

Interesting.

agree w/ stu and will cite 'Strawberry Fields Forever' vs. 'Penny Lane' as an example to illustrate his point. both are on the soundtrack for Magical Mystery Tour and while both enjoyable, the former offers so much more than the latter.

sorry that first draft really had atrocious spelliong even by my slacke stdards so i have made it slightly more integible here..

metaBeats

metaBeats: "In terms of the paul vs john debate, it is much like the beatle vs stones debate... ubiquitous , so in brief.... generally for me ( and most fans) John is the more serious artist, deeper music, deeper lyrics, Paul is the more superficial happy go lucky vaudville type.. ( 'a day in the life' is a prime example of this within the same song, compare Pauls verses against Johns....) Johns music stays with you longer (mind games is a particular lyric and music masterpiece)
However that said, my favorite post beatles record and song by far is 'band on The run' and the title track. Pauls singles are a joy to listen to and I never tire of them, so though John gets the nod, Paul is not far behind for me... I will let Brian expound on the wonders of his bass playing , which I never really appreciated until Brian pointed this out to me, and yes he is a fantastic bass player., perhaps underrated here if you can fathom that..
My daughters friend made a mix tape of all John lennon songs from Beatles era and post beatles era..to hear his entire cataloge on a mixed playlist in one go is wholely satisfying to a degree which surprised me.. I seem to listen to his carreer seperated into the 2 halves, but I highly recommend this exercise for any Lennon fan... I think if it was Pauls music it would be like getting too much sugar in your tea.."

well , first off...
did Derek make it to second base on the couch last night and if so what was it like...

In terms of the paul vs john debate, it is much like the beatle vs stones debate... ubiquitous , so in brief.... generally for me ( and most fans) John is the more serious artist, deeper music, deeper lyrics, Paul is the more superficial happy go lucky vaudville type.. ( "a day in the life" is a prime example of this within the same song, compare Pauls verses against Johns....) Johns music stays with you longer (mind games is a particular lyric and music masterpiece)
However that said, my favorite post beatles record and song by far is "band on The run" and the title track. Pauls singles are a joy to listen to and I never tire of them, so though John gets the nod, Paul is not far behind for me... I will let Brian expound on the wonders of his base playing , which I never really appreciated until Brian pointed this out to me, and yes he is a fantastic base player., perhaps underrated here if you can fathom that..
My daughters friend made a mix tape of all Joghn lennon songs from Beatles era and post beatl;es are...to here is entire castaloge on a mixed playlist in one go id wholely satisfying to a degree which surprised me.. I seem to listen to his carre seperated into the 2 halves, but I highly recommend this exercise for any Lennon fan... I think if it was Pauls music it would be like getting too music sugar in your tea..

I never meant to denigrade Band on the Run, which is an absolute fave of mine. Derek and I were sitting on the couch at midnight last night listening to it at non-kid-friendly volume and admiring its craft. The whole record is so incredibly strong, but the single itself is pure pop genius.

If we ever get out here / thought of giving it all away / To a registered charity / All I need is a pint a day / If we ever get out of here

The question that DM and I debated, and concluded (remarkably) agreeably on, was this...(and it's a classic music blog question....which we may have asked before, this blog has been around a while) if you had to choose one song writer / performer, would you choose McCartney or Lennon? And why.

Stuart: I think you mean ..."black and white critical music history world in which we live in".

"Stuck inside these four walls (da na na na na na na na na na na)/Sent inside forever ((da na na na na na na na na na na)/Never seeing no one...."

It's actually one of the first albums I remember looking at as a young kid. I somehow thought that the members depicted on the album cover were actually on the run from the police, for some unknown reason.

I thought I could do it, turn a blind eye while others relegated one of my all time favorite songs to the dust bins of their own cliche riddled worlds, but no I must speak out about such blasphemes,and though Paul is derided mercylessly in the steriotyped black and white critical music history world we live in , I must say that that album and that song were serious buteresses in the cultural void that my life was for some years in my youth...i mean
for me I took the hero of the song ( the band) as a metaphor for an escapist world of music WITH frivolty and that that life was all you needed... music and fun and adventure and nothing more.... the song has 3 dstinct parts all with there own building lyrics and melodies that erupts in an acoustic bonansa of joy for the sheer love of music...in short what our cdclub exists for... how many songs are like that? not many? he doesnt take himself too seriously here, its just about the music stupid....
Denny laines 70's steriophonic guitar work sublimely lifted me to a nworld where nothing else mattered....heres to you Paul..
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Also, would be interested in seeing this, which played at TIFF and opens today at the Lightbox. As there's little hope in hell in me finding the time to see it in the theatre, I can only hope that it will be avaialable as a selection on a future Air Canada flight.

All all songs considered playlist to get you through your day. Simply 'open' and it will launch your itunes and play.

The Deeman's mind is like a steel trap, Stu. He also remembers you wincing slightly at a selection he played at the cd club meeting immediately following that blog post, and since that time has been quietly seething inside with rage while secretly plotting your demise. I suspect the reckoning will come when you least expect it, will involve an axe, and will feature selections from Gene Clark's live "Silhouetted in Light (1992) – with Carla Olson" playing in the background. Have I given away too much Derek?

the question I have is , how does Derek remember a 5 year old blog posting, given the alcohol marinated memory cells in his posesssion... I cant believe you go back and read old blogs Derek, though it would be an intersting way of getting a music snapshot of the past..I may have to dig up one of the old Mercer cd mixes from the inception days of the cdclub for nostalgia sakes...

You say Gene Clark, I say Gene Pitney.

"(slight warbling)...he was the bravest man of all"...

You say Jailer, I say Gaoler.
I spell Jailor, you spell Sailer.
Jailer, Sailor,
Sailer, Gaoler
Let's call the bloody thing off.

Derek, Absolutely. I love the Gene Clark catalogue - his next record, Roadmaster is fantastic too - but that DOES not give you license to tell Stuart to be more in our face!! Geez man!

You've got me on sailor, Bri, but most would most spell jailer with an e. or should it have been gaoler?

Apparently I'm getting around to this one about 5 years after Stuart posted on this very site about his love for a record by Gene Clark called "White Light". Can't say I've ever been or ever will be a huge Byrds fan as much as I respect what they did. But this Gene Clark record is a gem. Needless to say Stuart you need to be more in our face with the records you cherish.

Having said that if you had recommended this 15 or 20 years ago I'd probably have run in the opposite direction. I must be getting old.

Hey, when did jailor and sailor get "e"'s in them?? Wait a second, did STUART write that blog?!

The jailer man/and sailer sam/were searching everyone for the ...

Boom boxes were big in the early eighties though I only ever owned a very small one, somewhat belatedly gifted to me one so I could listen to my own tapes in my bedroom. Do recall some charity walk-a-thons we were required to participate in during high school where ghetto blasters were toted to provide musical accompaniment. Apart from chewing through those massive D batteries (minimum of 8 required to power), they were damn heavy.

My memories stretch back even farther - when I was in high school, people did carry their music around, but the only way to do that was with a boom box. Those things consumed batteries by the ton (we're talking C or D cells here - none of this AA or AAA stuff), and they played music out loud. Those who could afford to have one (not me, I'm afraid) would walk around with the thing blaring out their own choice of tunes, proudly identifying with either the disco or the rock crowd (the only two genres that we recognized) and defying anybody to complain about the noise. The cool ones had extra bass boosters and VU Meters. I have a distinct and fond memory of walking around in Mons Belgium (this high school of which I speak was an overseas base school) with 5 or 6 of my head-banging friends clustered around Tim Watson, who's ghetto blaster was generously sharing Black Sabbath with the locals.

I don't remember exactly when I got my first Walkman - it was probably late in my university days. I must have owned a dozen of the things over the years, and they were among my most prized possessions. They were great on flights, except for the need to haul around all those casettes. I later switched to a CD Walkman, which was a lot more efficient in terms of media storage, but was itself much bulkier and less convenient. Now of course I have an MP3 player, but I am a cynical and jaded adult, and incapable of loving anything as much as I once loved my Walkman!

I had forgotten all about the different tape modes and the toggle switch between Normal, Chrome, and Metal. Did anyone of you ever use metal cassettes? I recall them being more expensive but never quite understood what they offered that normal cassettes did not. Also, now I kind of want to go home and play some of my minidiscs, particularly those mixed discs that were made back in the early 00s. Easily the shortest time frame of all the music media I owned (2 years max) I did enjoy them, but found the volume was always too low on any of the recordings I ever made.

Ahh the walkman. I have nothing but fond memories and kind words for the various forms of the "walkmen" that I worked my through over the better part of a decade from this to my Koss portable and on to the minidisc player.

The original walkman, that I purchased in the spring of 1984 as I was heading in to my last year of university, may have played a large part in my falling grades and the rapid expansion in my social life. Where music had heretofore been a large part of my life suddenly it became my all-consuming focus thanks to my own personal stereo system.

Walking through campus that fall the Cult's "Dreamtime", Talk Talk's "It's My Life" and Fiction Factory's "Throw the Warped Wheel Out" became ever present companions and all thoughts of that looming cost accounting assignment deadline could be banished. And given the analog nature of cassettes those albums and others were listened to with more care and devotion than I could ever hope to give to my musical downloads or even purchased CDs today.

What a wonderful invention.

Hey Kyle could you introduce me to some of those people.

Anyone else care to wax nostalgic now that Sony has stopped making the walkman?

For myself, even though I was still fairly young when it came out, I remember being blown away by the concept that you could take your music with you, and not have to wait for a radio to play what you wanted to hear. I do blame the invention for pushing me in the direction of purchasing cassettes instead of vinyl, where I now cherish copies of the latter and have pretty much chucked out all my tapes, save for a few mixed ones from the mid to late 90s that we can still play in the car. Certainly got me through a lot of bus rides to school and allowed me to become better acquainted with a type of music that, when played on the home stereo, would provoke instant protest from my parents and sisters; the charms of Kiss Me Kiss Me Kiss Me and Licensed to Ill proving somewhat elusive for my immediate family. And allowing myself to become acquainted with cooler music allowed me to meet cooler people with which I could have cooler conversations about music, literature, and life in general.

Kyle you have the wrong band.....this is the it

Quick thought on "power trios", or perhaps trios in general. Like all things it's difficult to colour it good or bad, my sense is it was a natural evolution that started well and went in a few different directions - and agreed, one of those directions was absolutely execrable.

It'd be difficult to argue that the Jimi Hendrix Experience or Cream were not important and good (if not fantastic) bands that moved the art of rock music forward. And let's not forget the Who, as Daltrey was only ever a singer. All of these dudes added a huge amount to the rock library in terms of great songs, but also were iconic in changing the idea-making about what rock could be. And yes they wanked on stage a bit too much, but some of it, a lot of it, was and is absolutely stunning music. Unfortunately a generation of lesser musical minds (perhaps not lesser musicians) took the ball and ran with it, and so you have Triumph, Rush, numerous others. As is probably well known, I really don't like Rush, though I know others will take umbrage.

Musically I think it all comes down to freedom of expression - drawing inspiration from the jazz movement (as usual.... ha!) in the 50's and 60's jazz when bands began playing without piano players. Think of Coltrane's Village Vanguard record - three musicians playing long form improvised pieces. If you listen to it's far closer to a rock record - or what rock would become - then a jazz record. And yet it was done in 1961. Some would argue it's his purest and best record (not me though).

Being the only melodic instrument in a musical setting has big (musical) responsibility and creates big freedom. Great musicians tend to seek that. Doesn't always mean it makes for great music. I can't stand the ego of the early 70's Jeff Beck projects with Tim Bogert and Carmine Appice for example, though it could be said that they were the three (or among the three) greatest rock musicians of their time.

Ok, now I'm wanking. Next subject!!

When I commented on power trios, I was thinking of bands like Rush, Cream, ELP and the Police. All with the elitist posture that seemed to say, "We're such spectacular musicians that we don't need a rhythm player". But at the end of the day, playing long extended leads (which was the mainstay of all of these bands, with the possible exception of the Police, whom I despise primarily because of Sting's uberwhiny voice and grating persona) with only a drummer and bass player providing the groove is needlessly limiting.